4. You will act like a mature adult, even if you aren't one.
Maturity is at the heart of a successful community. A small group of immature members and/or actions can bring down the quality of an entire community experience. Therefore we have decided to implement a three-strike system. If you are acting blatantly immaturely and it is causing any sort of problem in the community or the chat, you will be issued a warning to your account by a moderator. If you receive 3 warnings within a few months' time, you will be temporarily banned from the site to think about your attitude. Warnings are at the discretion of moderators, and your three warnings will be reviewed for legitimacy before you are temporarily banned. You will be notified each time you are warned, and a reason will be given for the warning - when possible, the incriminating post will be referenced.
I'm surprised no one has commented on this yet. Don't be afraid to express your thoughts as long as you do it in a respectful way.*reads new rule, nods then goes back doing regular business business life*
I'm surprised no one has commented on this yet. Don't be afraid to express your thoughts as long as you do it in a respectful way.
Unfortunately this has led us to now introduce a completely non biased zero tolerance policy.
and I also hate experiencing people in the chat spamming neon cat for an hour. Thanks! ;)people are still gonna do it
I'm surprised no one has commented on this yet. Don't be afraid to express your thoughts as long as you do it in a respectful way.
its your website and you can do with it as you wish but please define what is and isn't allowed better because this really is open to abuse.
A mod could literally give a warning for something that you may not know even breaks any of the current rules(as with my case, which i'll PM you about). Perhaps it wouldn't be if mods had to write up and send a detailed list of any supposed offenses to whoever they are giving a warning to. Maybe add that.
Ok, so the plan is that if we see a thread start to derail or veer off-topic then one of the staff will comment asking for the people responsible to behave and be respectful. Any futher derailment will be seen as a breach of the forum rules and a warning will be issued. Same rules apply in chat. You can still be more relaxed but you still need to remain respectful towards staff and other users.I'm okay with this rule change as long as no favoritism is shown and the mods don't get too crazy restrictive. I know that's possibly why I'm still on this site, but I wouldn't even want that bias polluting the site if it came down to it.
Yes, I was maybe a bit harsh earlier issuing you with a warning so quickly so my apologies for that one, but this is hardly the first time you have belittled a mapper in his own thread. That being said I absolutely agree with you that warnings should be handled in a professional manner and be written up in an offical way and PM'd to the user keeping it private. We will use this idea from now on in.
At the end of the day other major forums use this policy. They will give out one (and only one) warning. Step out of line again and it's a ban. This forum has become to relaxed with the handling of reports, warnings and account supsensions but we need to be seen to be acting and that we will.
Lol, very true :D
Also, could you change your profile pic, zen? It scares the shit out of me :-\
As for discussion, you want to turn UGX into a hugbox?Lol that's really what you got from this? A hugbox? It's your choice if you want to start hugging people, I'm not telling you to. But if you start slapping people you're gonna get slapped back with a ban. It's pretty simple. Don't harass people and everything stays peachy. If you can't go on the site without harassing people then it sounds like a personal problem.
Isn't it a bit unrealistic to believe that bias won't at some point play a role in a decision by a mod? Heck, how does one even know if someone is being biased 100% of the time?There's more than one mod, and there's no such thing as a non biased person. Its unrealistic to expect us to do this perfectly but we're going to try our best.
Yes, I was maybe a bit harsh earlier issuing you with a warning so quickly so my apologies for that one, but this is hardly the first time you have belittled a mapper in his own thread. That being said I absolutely agree with you that warnings should be handled in a professional manner and be written up in an offical way and PM'd to the user keeping it private. We will use this idea from now on in.
Lol that's really what you got from this? A hugbox? It's your choice if you want to start hugging people, I'm not telling you to.
A hugbox is a derogatory term for an environment, usually on the internet, in which a group with similar interests gathers to discuss topics in what they intend to be a safe, comforting, and confrontation-free environment.
There's more than one mod, and there's no such thing as a non biased person. Its unrealistic to expect us to do this perfectly but we're going to try our best.So you admit that bias could *potentially* influence whether a warning or ban is given? That mods/admins could pull a random rule out of the planes of nonexistence and issue a warning for something like telling someone how to cheat on a map simply because of bias. A rule that was never mentioned beforehand.
So you admit that bias could *potentially* influence whether a warning or ban is given? That mods/admins could pull a random rule out of the planes of nonexistence and issue a warning for something like telling someone how to cheat on a map simply because of bias. A rule that was never mentioned beforehand.
Just cos its not directly in rules doesnt mean its against rules. Clearly mapper doesnt want people to cheat in his map, so you disrespected his choice by telling people how to modify his script to remove something he has added
To be honest, I don't think extreme rules are so effective. Restricting the forum also makes it worse. I'd say offensive and hateful people should be dealt with seriously, and derailment too, but at the same time, having the freedom to talk on the forum in always needed, and being respectful and friendly towards other members is a must. This way, the community will be a better place to visit.Your post just outlined the rules explained in the first post of this topic... we want people to be respectful and friendly... people who are hateful will be dealt with seriously... doesn't sound very extreme to me so I'm not sure what you are saying is wrong here.
Not what i meant by 'hugbox'. I meant this:Oh excuse me for not consulting urban dictionary for the definition of a term which sounded sarcastically made up. I don't think your definition changes my previous response.
Source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hugbox (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hugbox)
So you admit that bias could *potentially* influence whether a warning or ban is given?This can't possibly be news to you.
That mods/admins could pull a random rule out of the planes of nonexistence and issue a warning for something like telling someone how to cheat on a map simply because of bias. A rule that was never mentioned beforehand.One person's definition of respect may be different than yours. Zen admitted he was too harsh to you, just drop it and move on. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill, as usual.
So you outright admit that the warning was harsh(uncalled for) and my supposed past offenses influenced your decision to give me a warning(bias) yet you won't repeal it.
Rule approved 8)Oh W1NG3D commented in a topic, everybody make a wish! :D
By that logic a person asking a mapper to add or change a feature(in a nice way or not) that they put into a map would be considered not respecting their choice.
lukkie litterally warned and then deleted out of map spot i found in a contest map, hope this wont affect the judging process but sharing light on cuple issue in the mapping for a mapping contest is not forbidden i hope or atleast providing information is not ALWAYS constructive criticism however it needs to be done otherwise every map will be broken or ripped off from some place i hope me sharing this personal opinion on the subject is critique enough otherwise this is my last pm rip everyone <3your comment may have been removed, but we still have a log of it. Dont worry, they do not get forgotten about
i will stop typing in forums entirely from now on and the updates for my coming maps will remain IMAGES only so lukkie wont follow me around waiting for smalles misstep now that he took 3 seconds of his day pm me the warning about me linking a "let me google that for you" for darklegion after he linked let me google that for you
(http://i.imgur.com/igA6dob.png)...stop replying with images of text please lol
...stop replying with images of text please lolyea i was having to log on - with my phone - to even see those lol
(http://i.imgur.com/igA6dob.png)
...stop replying with images of text please lol
sorry i assumed simply sharing a picture with someone is less bannable then having a different opinion from moderators like lukkie and i want to make sure i do NOT break any rules since i don't wish to do so and have no intention of doing so either.Why do you keep mentioning my name? There was no official warning given, and this was definately not the first time you could have been warned for spamming. And why do you send a PM to me that you're sorry, but you start complaining about it in public? Kinda low to do tbh.
I think the fundamental issue is that there's a line -- as Daedra attempted to point out -- between a friendly community and a circlejerking community. If you need an example of a circlejerking community, look at practically any sub on Reddit.
So, I think the real key to reducing site toxicity is to put on some tighter content filters. That means not allowing box maps/"proto" maps onto the site: that also means locking or deleting disaster WiP's that fail to meet proper requirements, before they devolve into shitholes.
I'm sorry but this is a complete non starter. I mean, where do we draw the line on what is considered too poor to feature on the site? Also, there is several mappers on this site who started of by posting "shit" maps who are now pretty damn talented, so are we to turn away mappers until they are in line with the standards expected by a select few?
The point of this new policy is to prevent new mappers getting abused by the egotistical members of this site who think they are Gods amongst men and would rather trash than encourage these novice mappers. Besides... even decent maps get the harsh treatment (Daedra's rant on Prison Mission for example) and we are looking to put an end to this kind of bullshit to be honest.
The final straw was having 3 users ask us to delete their WIP threads because some people on here are too toxic to actually try and help people and instead would rather belittle these new users. This site will no longer condone this type of behaviour.
I agree with all this, and I have been guilty of such stuff in the past I'm not gonna lie. Having said that, what happened to the 'New Mapper' section that was mooted a while back? I honestly think that's the best solution for all parties.IIRC that might have been canceled because some people's first maps were actually pretty good and might have not gotten much attention because they were "New Mappers." It's a good idea honestly so people don't get so damn mean over someone's first map.
IIRC that might have been canceled because some people's first maps were actually pretty good and might have not gotten much attention because they were "New Mappers." It's a good idea honestly so people don't get so damn mean over someone's first map.
I'm sorry but this is a complete non starter. I mean, where do we draw the line on what is considered too poor to feature on the site? Also, there is several mappers on this site who started of by posting "shit" maps who are now pretty damn talented, so are we to turn away mappers until they are in line with the standards expected by a select few?
The final straw was having 3 users ask us to delete their WIP threads because some people on here are too toxic to actually try and help people and instead would rather belittle these new users. This site will no longer condone this type of behaviour.
The point of this new policy is to prevent new mappers getting abused by the egotistical members of this site who think they are Gods amongst men and would rather trash than encourage these novice mappers. Besides... even decent maps get the harsh treatment (Daedra's rant on Prison Mission for example) and we are looking to put an end to this kind of bullshit to be honest.
For the record, I've tried to help several people fix issues and make their map less buggy and 9.9 times out of 10 they just ignore that advice and release a buggy map anyway.
Your definition of "decent" isn't the same as mine. Any map that has zombies spawning in zones that aren't even open isn't a trait of a quality map in my book.